Some points to add to your framework. Israel was not established by Jews alone. Zionists worked closely with the British. The Balfour Declaration displayed the cooperation between British elites and Zionists. The Ottoman Empire was recently taken down, and the British saw a way to get a foothold in the region. So modern Israel was created partly as a result of Britain's imperial ambitions.
Judaism is not an ethnos, it is a religion. The attempt to create a Jewish State is making it a religious state. The Zionist argument regarding ethnicity is wrong, first, because most Jews today have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews. A good source on this point is Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe where he details the history of the Khazars who converted to Judaism while in their homeland between the Black and Caspian Seas. They were the origin of eastern European Jews. At the very least one needs to be keeping this caveat in mind when talking about ethnicity.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Hamas was a creation of Israelis. They didn't like the POW, so they murdered Arafat and created Hamas. This fact plays into what actually happened on Oct. 7. Another is that rich reserves of fossil fuels have been discovered just off the coast of Gaza. This provides a motive for Israel to take over Gaza and remove the Palestinians. Oct. 7 could have been a false flag operation.
Regarding nationalism, it's been getting a bad name, predominately from the left. Nationalism gets equated with fascism, but what it's really about is sovereignty. The EU is a testing ground for this. The EU wants to dominate member nations. Joining the EU, and especially the Eurozone, has been a major sacrifice of sovereignty for many nations. It is in the EU where sovereignty is said to be an undesirable thing, but that is because the leaders there want to establish control over member nations, imposing policies the people did not vote for. In a clearer context, I deal with the issue of national sovereignty in the last essay in my book, Threefold Steps Out.
The problem in Palestine is the leadership on both sides. Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. One reason Arab countries don't want to take Palestinian refugees is that they don't want any part of the Muslim Brotherhood. You can see the trouble they caused in Egypt in the aftermath of that psyop called the Arab Spring. But the leadership of Israel is also very bad. The Likud Party should be voted out. Of course, they are not the only expansionist political group in Israel in favor of extermination. The good news is Israelis have taken to the street in protest.
I like the concept and in a world that held more sanity, it would work. I’m just not sure how we get to a place like that. There would be lots of kinks to work out. For instance, how do you fashion laws for a society that embraces differing cultural beliefs? If one culture favors a male dominate marriage in which the wife has no voice, and domestic abuse (in order to maintain cultural norms) is widely accepted, but surrounding cultures find the practice to be dangerous and worry that their own daughters may eventually fall in love with one from this male dominated culture, how do you protect citizens without favoring one culture over the other in governing decisions? If in one culture a crime is punishable by death or the loss of a limb, but another culture finds it abhorrent, how is a decision for recourse made?
I like your optimism but I see some problems with your diagnosis and proposed remedy: How do you account for the 21% of the Israeli population being Arab Muslims? Did you know that Arab Muslims who are citizens in Israel even serve on the Israeli Supreme Court and have sentenced prominent Israelis to prison, and have more human rights than their counterparts in many other Arab nations?
Also, the schools in Palestine raise the children to hate Israelis of all ethnic backgrounds and to celebrate death and martyrdom; how do you reason with that? how do you make peace and/or at least contain the violence? You can watch recordings of kindergarten plays that glorify shooting Jews. https://youtu.be/1sDZlo_hllI?si=t_-gE4eUR-TA_nva Here is only one example, there are many more
I am not Jewish or Israeli or a zionist but I know that Israel is already a multiethnic and multi-religious state.
Your approach here, diagnosis of the situation and remedy seems a bit oversimplified.
This situation is very complex.
Of course, one cannot simply make assumptions about the nature and motivations of the nations and states involved in this, and other, conflicts without also considering the proxy nature of all of the wars mentioned above and the international corruption that fuels wars and terrorism and without taking into account of the major players who are behind Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah etc, in the case of the Middle East.
In the case of Ukraine which you mentioned in passing, we should also consider the interested parties involved behind the scenes in funding this war and sabotaging peace agreements. It is common knowledge now Putin and Zelensky had agreed to a Peace process, a diplomatic solution in April 2022, and it was undermined by the West. 18 months later, and 100,000 deaths later and we are no closer to a solution.
There is a lot more at stake in both of those examples than self-determination and nation-statehood, in my humble opinion.
I agree with your framework that the nation state is a problem. It's an idea from centuries ago that has worked well enough until now. That said, some of these inter ethnic disputes are more complex than power struggles. For example, Israel isn't just fighting Palestinians for power over some land, but rather they are also fighting Hamas which is an idea, one which believes in the world-wide domination of Islam.
The Gaza slaughter and ethnic cleansing is not going to stop until Israel is de-Nazified. That means that Zionists should be chased out of Israel, these Zionists should return to their Nations of origin, a new secular non religious non ethnically state should be installed with a constitution mirroring the US. The country should be renamed to Palestine, a 2state solution is not available option. And let's not overlook the support and influence of the Anglo_US empire, using Israel as spearhed in the (oilr-ich) middle-east.
Some points to add to your framework. Israel was not established by Jews alone. Zionists worked closely with the British. The Balfour Declaration displayed the cooperation between British elites and Zionists. The Ottoman Empire was recently taken down, and the British saw a way to get a foothold in the region. So modern Israel was created partly as a result of Britain's imperial ambitions.
Judaism is not an ethnos, it is a religion. The attempt to create a Jewish State is making it a religious state. The Zionist argument regarding ethnicity is wrong, first, because most Jews today have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews. A good source on this point is Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe where he details the history of the Khazars who converted to Judaism while in their homeland between the Black and Caspian Seas. They were the origin of eastern European Jews. At the very least one needs to be keeping this caveat in mind when talking about ethnicity.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Hamas was a creation of Israelis. They didn't like the POW, so they murdered Arafat and created Hamas. This fact plays into what actually happened on Oct. 7. Another is that rich reserves of fossil fuels have been discovered just off the coast of Gaza. This provides a motive for Israel to take over Gaza and remove the Palestinians. Oct. 7 could have been a false flag operation.
Regarding nationalism, it's been getting a bad name, predominately from the left. Nationalism gets equated with fascism, but what it's really about is sovereignty. The EU is a testing ground for this. The EU wants to dominate member nations. Joining the EU, and especially the Eurozone, has been a major sacrifice of sovereignty for many nations. It is in the EU where sovereignty is said to be an undesirable thing, but that is because the leaders there want to establish control over member nations, imposing policies the people did not vote for. In a clearer context, I deal with the issue of national sovereignty in the last essay in my book, Threefold Steps Out.
The problem in Palestine is the leadership on both sides. Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. One reason Arab countries don't want to take Palestinian refugees is that they don't want any part of the Muslim Brotherhood. You can see the trouble they caused in Egypt in the aftermath of that psyop called the Arab Spring. But the leadership of Israel is also very bad. The Likud Party should be voted out. Of course, they are not the only expansionist political group in Israel in favor of extermination. The good news is Israelis have taken to the street in protest.
I like the concept and in a world that held more sanity, it would work. I’m just not sure how we get to a place like that. There would be lots of kinks to work out. For instance, how do you fashion laws for a society that embraces differing cultural beliefs? If one culture favors a male dominate marriage in which the wife has no voice, and domestic abuse (in order to maintain cultural norms) is widely accepted, but surrounding cultures find the practice to be dangerous and worry that their own daughters may eventually fall in love with one from this male dominated culture, how do you protect citizens without favoring one culture over the other in governing decisions? If in one culture a crime is punishable by death or the loss of a limb, but another culture finds it abhorrent, how is a decision for recourse made?
I like your optimism but I see some problems with your diagnosis and proposed remedy: How do you account for the 21% of the Israeli population being Arab Muslims? Did you know that Arab Muslims who are citizens in Israel even serve on the Israeli Supreme Court and have sentenced prominent Israelis to prison, and have more human rights than their counterparts in many other Arab nations?
Also, the schools in Palestine raise the children to hate Israelis of all ethnic backgrounds and to celebrate death and martyrdom; how do you reason with that? how do you make peace and/or at least contain the violence? You can watch recordings of kindergarten plays that glorify shooting Jews. https://youtu.be/1sDZlo_hllI?si=t_-gE4eUR-TA_nva Here is only one example, there are many more
I am not Jewish or Israeli or a zionist but I know that Israel is already a multiethnic and multi-religious state.
Your approach here, diagnosis of the situation and remedy seems a bit oversimplified.
This situation is very complex.
Of course, one cannot simply make assumptions about the nature and motivations of the nations and states involved in this, and other, conflicts without also considering the proxy nature of all of the wars mentioned above and the international corruption that fuels wars and terrorism and without taking into account of the major players who are behind Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah etc, in the case of the Middle East.
In the case of Ukraine which you mentioned in passing, we should also consider the interested parties involved behind the scenes in funding this war and sabotaging peace agreements. It is common knowledge now Putin and Zelensky had agreed to a Peace process, a diplomatic solution in April 2022, and it was undermined by the West. 18 months later, and 100,000 deaths later and we are no closer to a solution.
There is a lot more at stake in both of those examples than self-determination and nation-statehood, in my humble opinion.
FYI
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
I agree with your framework that the nation state is a problem. It's an idea from centuries ago that has worked well enough until now. That said, some of these inter ethnic disputes are more complex than power struggles. For example, Israel isn't just fighting Palestinians for power over some land, but rather they are also fighting Hamas which is an idea, one which believes in the world-wide domination of Islam.
The Gaza slaughter and ethnic cleansing is not going to stop until Israel is de-Nazified. That means that Zionists should be chased out of Israel, these Zionists should return to their Nations of origin, a new secular non religious non ethnically state should be installed with a constitution mirroring the US. The country should be renamed to Palestine, a 2state solution is not available option. And let's not overlook the support and influence of the Anglo_US empire, using Israel as spearhed in the (oilr-ich) middle-east.